Posts by Brokeback Watchtower

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My impressions of the cart witnessing

by Sour Grapes in

i have watched tons of youtube videos of our exjdub friends approaching and talking to the jdub manikins at their carts as they give a great witness to the world by sipping their hot lattes, updating their social media, chit chatting to each other, and the most important thing of getting their time in, counting their hours.. when the jw's see someone approach with a camera they do several things, they will turn their backs on the person, or look at the person with a frown and act like the person isn't even there.

the witlesses refuse to answer simple, clear, and precise questions.

when i was an elder i loved to get into discussions and debates with trinitarians, priest, clergymen and those who were born again.

Brokeback Watchtower

I never see a JW near a cart at the Cupertino CA . library near where I live. I've asked people near the cart:" hey who is placing this cart here?" and nobody knows. Perhaps they are in the coffee shop down the side walk? but I never see a person behind these carts in Sunnyvale or Cupertino,, must be all the bad child molestation publicity from the Conti/Femont, Ca. lawsuit for 21 million has had it effect on local towns.

I think all these lawsuits involving child molestation have been causing many cart to be abandoned so as not to be seen any where near the cart for fear of negative confrontations over this widely know fact on the internet.

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U.S. political turmoil ...

by mikeflood in

that russian thing, all those suits, the bitter political divide... it's getting out of control.

i think trump could resign and pardon all, he even could get ill because to much pressure (even for his lawyer), or he's gonna get so cornered that he could take very drastic decisions.

they should concentrate in govern the country instead, it's getting tiresome.

Brokeback Watchtower

I think Trump if he is a wise business man should be able see the upsides in having a working relationship with Russia to achieve some common goals. Why be enemies when working together can do so much more good. Rhetoric between the two is all propaganda anyway so I see this tough stance of Trump's presently toward Russia as all for propaganda and not truth. Don't expect absolute truth when listening to the interchange it's all fake news.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–United_States_relations#United_States_and_the_Russian_Empire

Russia–United States relations refers to the bilateral relationship between the United States and Russia. The United States and Russia maintain diplomatic and trade relations. The relationship was generally warm under the Russian President Boris Yeltsin (1991–1999) until the NATO bombing of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [1][2] in the spring of 1999, and has since deteriorated significantly. In 2014, relations greatly strained due to the crisis in Ukraine, Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2015, differences regarding Russian military intervention in the Syrian Civil War, and from the end of 2016 over Russia's alleged interference in the 2016 U.S. elections. Mutual sanctions imposed in 2014 remain in place.

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How To Finacially Bankrupt Mind Control Cults With Legisaltion

by Brokeback Watchtower in

if a government wishes to protect it citizens from the clutches of mind control cults, all they have to do is make laws that allow former members to sue theirs ass off.. what if they made laws about a system the meets the 6 points mentioned by margret singer to manipulate a person into submission to it's directives and cause mental, physical, and emotional harm and make it possible to sue them for damages.. if such laws were in place it would spell financial ruin to all coercive authoritarian cults..

Brokeback Watchtower

If a government wishes to protect it citizens from the clutches of Mind Control Cults, all they have to do is make laws that allow former members to sue theirs ass off.

What if they made laws about a system the meets the 6 points mentioned by Margret Singer to manipulate a person into submission to it's directives and cause mental, physical, and emotional harm and make it possible to sue them for damages.

If such laws were in place it would spell financial ruin to all coercive authoritarian cults.

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U.S. political turmoil ...

by mikeflood in

that russian thing, all those suits, the bitter political divide... it's getting out of control.

i think trump could resign and pardon all, he even could get ill because to much pressure (even for his lawyer), or he's gonna get so cornered that he could take very drastic decisions.

they should concentrate in govern the country instead, it's getting tiresome.

Brokeback Watchtower

I never did get the beef the USA has with Russia? They fought with them as allies during world war 2. I know they were in competition with stock piling lots of nukes and making missiles and rockets. I really wish human understanding and values keep increasing so as to out date war as a viable option.

Anyway here is a run down of their relationship presently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–United_States_relations

Russia–United States relations refers to the bilateral relationship between the United States and Russia. The United States and Russia maintain diplomatic and trade relations. The relationship was generally warm under the Russian President Boris Yeltsin (1991–1999) until the NATO bombing of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [1][2] in the spring of 1999, and has since deteriorated significantly. In 2014, relations greatly strained due to the crisis in Ukraine, Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2015, differences regarding Russian military intervention in the Syrian Civil War, and from the end of 2016 over Russia's alleged interference in the 2016 U.S. elections. Mutual sanctions imposed in 2014 remain in place.......

The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society Printing Mind Control Cult Corporation/Establishment

by Brokeback Watchtower in

http://csj.org/studyindex/studymindctr/study_mindctr_singer.htm.

dr. margaret t. singer's 6 conditions for thought reform.

keep the person unaware of what is going on and how she or he is being changed a step at a time.

Brokeback Watchtower

http://csj.org/studyindex/studymindctr/study_mindctr_singer.htm

Dr. Margaret T. Singer's 6 Conditions for Thought Reform

Keep the person unaware of what is going on and how she or he is being changed a step at a time. Potential new members are led, step by step, through a behavioral-change program without being aware of the final agenda or full content of the group. The goal may be to make them deployable agents for the leadership, to get them to buy more courses, or get them to make a deeper commitment, depending on the leader's aim and desires.
Control the person's social and/or physical environment; especially control the person's time. Through various methods, newer members are kept busy and led to think about the group and its content during as much of their waking time as possible.
Systematically create a sense of powerlessness in the person. This is accomplished by getting members away from the normal social support group for a period of time and into an environment where the majority of people are already group members. The members serve as models of the attitudes and behaviors of the group and speak an in-group language.
Manipulate a system of rewards, punishments and experiences in such a way as to inhibit behavior that reflects the person's former social identity. Manipulation of experiences can be accomplished through various methods of trance induction, including leaders using such techniques as paced speaking patterns, guided imagery, chanting, long prayer sessions or lectures, and lengthy meditation sessions.
Manipulate a system of rewards, punishments, and experiences in order to promote learning the group's ideology or belief system and group-approved behaviors. Good behavior, demonstrating an understanding and acceptance of the group's beliefs, and compliance are rewarded while questioning, expressing doubts or criticizing are met with disapproval, redress and possible rejection. If one expresses a question, he or she is made to feel that there is something inherently wrong with them to be questioning.
Put forth a closed system of logic and an authoritarian structure that permits no feedback and refuses to be modified except by leadership approval or executive order. The group has a top-down, pyramid structure. The leaders must have verbal ways of never losing. (Singer, 1995).

Dr. Margaret T. Singer's 6 Conditions for Thought Refor

These conditions create the atmosphere needed to put a thought reform system into place:

Keep the person unaware of what is going on and how she or he is being changed a step at a time

Potential new members are led, step by step, through a behavioral-change program without being aware of the final agenda or full content of the group. The goal may be to make them deployable agents for the leadership, to get them to buy more courses, or get them to make a deeper commitment, depending on the leader's aim and desires.

Control the person's social and/or physical environment; especially control the person's time

Through various methods, newer members are kept busy and led to think about the group and its content during as much of their waking time as possible.

Systematically create a sense of powerlessness in the person.

This is accomplished by getting members away from the normal social support group for a period of time and into an environment where the majority of people are already group members.

The members serve as models of the attitudes and behaviors of the group and speak an in- group language.

Strip members of their main occupation (quit jobs, drop out of school) or source of income or have them turn over their income (or the majority of) to the group.

Once stripped of your usual support network, your confidence in your own perception erodes.

As your sense of powerlessness increases, your good judgment and understanding of the world are diminished. (ordinary view of reality is destabilized)

As group attacks your previous worldview, it causes you distress and inner confusion; yet you are not allowed to speak about this confusion or object to it -- leadership suppresses questions and counters resistance.

This process is speeded up if you are kept tired -- the cult will keep you constantly busy.

Manipulate a system of rewards, punishments and experiences in such a way as to inhibit behavior that reflects the person's former social identity

Manipulation of experiences can be accomplished through various methods of trance induction, including leaders using such techniques as paced speaking patterns, guided imagery, chanting, long prayer sessions or lectures, and lengthy meditation sessions.

Your old beliefs and patterns of behavior are defined as irrelevant or evil. Leadership wants these old patterns eliminated, so the member must suppress them

Members get positive feedback for conforming to the group's beliefs and behaviors and negative feedback for old beliefs and behavior.

Manipulate a system of rewards, punishments, and experiences in order to promote learning the group's ideology or belief system and group-approved behaviors

Good behavior, demonstrating an understanding and acceptance of the group's beliefs, and compliance are rewarded while questioning, expressing doubts or criticizing are met with disapproval, redress and possible rejection. If one expresses a question, he or she is made to feel that there is something inherently wrong with them to be questioning.

The only feedback members get is from the group, they become totally dependent upon the rewards given by those who control the environment.

Members must learn varying amounts of new information about the beliefs of the group and the behaviors expected by the group.

The more complicated and filled with contradictions the new system in and the more difficult it is to learn, the more effective the conversion process will be.

Esteem and affection from peers is very important to new recruits. Approval comes from having the new member's behaviors and thought patterns conform to the models (members). Members' relationship with peers is threatened whenever they fail to learn or display new behaviors. Over time, the easy solution to the insecurity generated by the difficulties of learning the new system is to inhibit any display of doubts -- new recruits simply acquiesce, affirm and act as if they do understand and accept the new ideology.

Put forth a closed system of logic and an authoritarian structure that permits no feedback and refuses to be modified except by leadership approval or executive order

The group has a top-down, pyramid structure. The leaders must have verbal ways of never losing.

Members are not allowed to question, criticize or complain -- if they do, the leaders allege that the member is defective -- not the organization or the beliefs.

The individual is always wrong -- the system, its leaders and its belief are always right.

Conversion or remolding of the individual member happens in a closed system. As members learn to modify their behavior in order to be accepted in this closed system, they change -- begin to speak the language -- which serves to further isolate them from their prior beliefs and behaviors.

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When You Die Would You Haunt The Governing Body? If It were Possible?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i've been reading a lot about reincarnation these days and i'm beginning to think that it quite possibly might be true, it seems to fit in nicely with the idea that we live in a computer simulation.. anyway according to the tibetan book of the dead when we die we seem to hang around on the earth waiting for rebirth.

at which time we could be ghosts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bardo_thodol.

Brokeback Watchtower

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeUQokDwEvk

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Judge Orders Jehovah's Witnesses to turn over Internal Documents re: Childhood Sexual Abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

https://nixlaw.com/news/judge-orders-jehovahs-witnesses-to-turn-over-internal-documents-related-to-childhood-sexual-abuse/.

judge orders jehovah’s witnesses to turn over internal documents related to childhood sexual abuse.

april 12, 2018. .

Brokeback Watchtower

O My God they are guilty as charged. Any lawyer worth his salt will ask for classified records of any charges of child molestation in so and so's molester in possession of WT elder lackeys.

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The Meaning Of Life With J. Mislove(thinking allowed)

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ernoyphpwpo.

Brokeback Watchtower

But what if they attained a more clear picture of reality than our four or whatever senses I'm sure your at least willing to conclude that your 4 or 5 senses a very narrow view of reality as it really is?

And what about the big bang, and our entire universe being just a nondimentenal point of infinite density? I think that is about as oneness as you can get.

BTW I think we are all in a trance induced by what every government we got our primary age indoctrination. So I'm working hard to brake out of it and discover some worthwhile meaning for myself in my stage of life(65).

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Are the 8 superstar Popes planning a purge?

by Sour Grapes in

jw
friends

there are over 8 million jdubs and i would venture a guess that at least 20% to 30% are pimo.

in my opinion, the kingdom hauls are only half full for two reasons....many have left but the majority are pimo and any little excuse will keep them home and they will report their token ghost hours in service.

all it takes to stay home is being tired, too much school homework or i will go next week, no doubt many have taken part-time jobs and the fear of working the second shift and the guilt of missing meetings is gone.

Brokeback Watchtower

Good points SG, hey you got people thinking. And Morph's a little querky sometimes but a lot of fun in his opinions.

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The Meaning Of Life With J. Mislove(thinking allowed)

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ernoyphpwpo.

Brokeback Watchtower

Hey if the Mystics are right and everything: time, space, everything we are conscious of is just one thing,, after all I think the big bang theory say's this is so. So could we be all the mind of God just one/that thing?

What meaning would we give to life with that cosmology?

Family happiness might being a meaning or some following self exploration might be it. The meaning to life depends upon where we are in our own personality development.

Ask any Governing Body member: What is the meaning to life and they will tell you.."Kiss Jehovah's Ass for all eternity crying Holy Holy Holy is Jehovah the almighty corporation sock puppet.